That is just sick man. Improved is an understatement.
It is fabulous, right?!?!? Calen has the mother plant of this beauty so aim excited to see how his looks this year in Oregon.
My mother plant didn't quite go as psycho-infused dark as Trey's division did this year. It's amazing how the plants, even identical clones, can look so different depending on environmental conditions. One of my select seedlings of (rugelii AxB#1 x Black Veins Clone B) threw July traps like Trey's when it was consistently in the 90s and moderately humid every day, but I am not sure it will look that way in spring even though the genes are in there somewhere! That said, my IBV did look quite good this year. I was surprised at it's size - the biggest trap is at about 30" with most of the others close behind in the mid to upper 20s. That's the biggest this plant has gotten for me and it is continuing to mature - it will be going into a 2 gallon pot this winter. The shape is lovely, the veins detailed and black - you can be sure I have breeding projects in the works with this guy that will be very exciting to see develop over the next couple years! Here's a pic from the other evening. The pic doesn't do justice to the inky blackness of the veins! IMG_1579 by Calen Hall, on Flickr These pics were taken in late June. Veins are at almost peak blackness here. IMG_1518 by Calen Hall, on Flickr IMG_1516 by Calen Hall, on Flickr IMG_1515 by Calen Hall, on Flickr
Some new pics of S. flava var. ornata improved black veins 'select clone.' Funny thing is, there's so much phenotypic variation in this plant-I have a division of this exact clone that isn't as veined right now! Traps are just starting to open, photos taken 5/14/18:
I would like some input on what the level of interest is among the growers out there, for the original, non-improved flava black vein clones. I have three — SFL05A, clone D, and wavy lid. They do fine here, although they don't color up as well as they could because I get 7-8 hours of sun only.
I recommend to the average grower on this forum that they stick with one of the 'improved' black vein types. I will be keeping a maximum of two each of my original clone variants due to lack of space.
Do any of the breeders on this forum still desire some of these original, slow-to-reproduce clones, or should I just put them up for sale when I have extra? I look forward to comments on these clones for as long as they come in. Again, I recommend to the average grower to sticking with the improved black vein types, but will sell if it becomes necessary.
For the sake of documentation, I wanted to explain more details about how this improved black veined flava came to be and the history behind its black veined parents. It really is an anomaly in nature to see black veined individuals, and outside of the plants in cultivation, I've never seen anything quite like them in the wild.
There was a site that contained a small patch of S. flava var. rugelii and S. flava var. ornata at a powercut in Bulloch Co, GA. This site existed for decades, and I was told it was more extensive many decades ago. If I had to guess, these plants were a relic population of a once larger population of flavas. Since the surrounding land was "tamed" by people (ie. not allowed to burn naturally, and altered for roads, drainage, etc), the surrounding area likely turned into forest very quickly once man started changing the terrain. The little section of bog under the powercut persisted since it was consistently mowed by people over the many decades.
Fast forward to August of 2012, the site was completely destroyed and developed. today, the exact spot where the population existed is a "mowed lawn" by the side of a road that leads to houses and some commercial buildings. Too bad they didn't take the extra effort to just keep the bog in place, if they maintained the hydrology of the site or altered it so it could remain boggy, it could have persisted:
From this site, there are black veined flavas, but they look more "watered down" in comparison to the original black veined flava plants. If this isn't the original site of the black veined flava, these are no doubt relatives of them:
I was told that the original black veined flava mother plant originated from private property owned by the Kennedy family in Bulloch Co, GA, but I'm neither able to confirm or deny the authenticity of the story. As of a few years back, if my memory serves me well, I think some conservationists did try to find the property, but were unable to locate it(?) or confirm that such a property still exists. Anyways, I also found a conflicting report of the original black veined flava being seed grown from the powercut site. However, my "S. flava 'suspicion,'" after growing out many seeds from that site, is that the outstanding mother plant was probably dug up. If that is true, I can't say it was justified at the time (and let's not forget, if it happened, this was decades ago when it was acceptable to dig up plants from the wild). I don't endorse such activities, but in the long run, it's the reason black veined flavas prolifically exist in cultivation! Don't go out digging up plants and say that Mike Wang endorsed it, I'm strongly against that unless the bulldozers are there destroying the plants and you have permission to dig them up.
In any case, here is literally the single mother of all black veined flavas in cultivation! shockingly, some of the offspring are more heavily veined than the mother plant, but that could be phenotypic variation. I think this plant can probably color up much better if it had more sunlight:
In 1997, I acquired selfed seeds from this plant and grew out several plants. At the same time, Art Junier also acquired seeds from that exact batch and grew them out. Art and I traded clones of each others plants, and I ended up acquiring all of the individuals he had in his collection.
The F2 black veined plants in general were extremely slow growing, very finnicky, rarely bloom, and incredibly rot prone. However, each individual was slightly different: a few were more vigorous than others, and bloomed more readily. They all have that extreme external veining, but some are more extensive than others! Of course, the worst looking ones were the easiest to bloom and grow, and the best looking ones were the hardest. Ironically, I used the worst looking ones to produce the improved black veins simply because they were the only ones that would produce pollen and seed pods!
Here's some of the F-2's, some had red throats while others just had a red line that runs the length of the throat:
As mentioned earlier, the best looking ones are the absolute worst growers, poorest bloomers, and incredibly rot prone like this clone E:
Truth be told, Improved black veins can still be improved even more in terms of looks, but if you don't have unrealistic standards like myself, it's already a masterpiece. We've taken care of vigor, increased venation(kinda) and increased disease resistance, but can we get we get even heavier venation? The mother black veined plants used so far didn't have the best veining, but one of the offspring in the F2 generation batch did, so I used that to create the F3, which is now being released to the general public.
The goal now is to cross the best individual from the F3 generation with clone E. I have already identified a winner plant for the F4 cross, but it will take a few years before it reaches blooming size. Problem is, in the 22 years that I've had the black veined flavas, clone E has only flowered twice! both times, the pollen sacks rotted out before I could collect anything. I also went to college, got married, and had 2 kids, which set the project back many years. In case you were wondering why it took so dang long to make the improved black veins, well, there you have it!
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