Thread resurrection time! Last September we were fortunate to visit this site and see its spectacular natural hybrids. Like Mike said above, the site is getting thick and could use a burn. Fortunately it doesn't seem to have really become any more overgrown in the last few years, suggesting that the plants will persist happily for a while even in the absence of fire. The wet savannas are extensive in this area, and we explored only a tiny fraction of the complex. Who knows - maybe pure leucos still exist in a neighboring field no one has visited before? Shrubs and small trees dissect the grassy areas, limiting visibility and making all directions look the same. Part of the reason that we didn't explore more than we did (besides the nuclear heat) was that we didn't want to get lost in this disorienting landscape! Most of the plants here are green alatas, although I think we sw one or two plants with red hoods. The spectacular hybrids are found throughout the site, scattered around like Easter eggs! WOW! Here's one that didn't get the "white gene." Non-white hybrids like this, and the extreme whiteness of many others, makes me think most of these plants are back-crosses. With no leucos around () there would't be a source for fresh alata x leuco simple crossings, leaving the hybrids to back-cross with each other. Let's get another look at those two super white, super bulbous ones. S. alata var. alba?
Thanks for sharing Calen! This site certainly brings back memories. S. rosea exists very close to this site, I'll give you a dollar if you can find it! It's technically the southwestern most population of S. rosea.
So ironic, alatas are the least popular item that people ask for, but I've recently been working on boosting up numbers of select clones in the collection. I guess once everyone realizes what these genetics can do when crossed with leucos, that will change things. We now have amazing bright white leucophyllas and super dark alatas to breed with.
Nature has shown us what a limited gene pool of alatas and leucophyllas can do when crossed and back-crossed. Now imagine what we can do with leucophyllas from dozens of populations and alatas throughout their range....Yes, it's all Ellie's fault that I'm not expanding the collection and doing this myself, been spending more time with her recently.... so I have to challenge you, Sarracenia forum members and lurkers, to breed with these plants!
In 2015 I made a few hybrids with Mike King's A59 and a leuco, as well as an interesting hybrid between A59 and a moorei 'Elizabeth' x rubra alabamensis. Plants are still small though.. The A59 is the tallest alata in Mike's collection. Probably I can trade some seed with some of you as I have more seed than room to raise them all to maturity for most hybrids I made.
I will start a topic in the trades department to share the seeds I have left. I think most of you are in the US, so this can be an easy way to get some more inetraction between US and EU collections. I assume there are no special requirements to send seeds to the US and vice versa?
Sorry to hear that, I suspected something like that after reading the ICPS seedbank rules for donations. Anybody has experience with that and especially how much it will cost? Or can I use somebody having a permit already (like the ICPS)?
We've got a lot of worthy ala. x leu. selections. Sorry, I don't have any pictures yet. Most were crosses with a black-red (nigripurpurea) which is quite tall. Fortunately, some of the crosses are easier to color-up than the alata "mom". They produce the best pitchers, as you'd expect, in late summer/fall.
Back in the 70s, a friend and I stopped at a gas station, somewhere a bit north of Orange Grove MS. Out back was a 3 foot diameter clump of an amazing ala. x leu., though most of the pitchers were ruined by insects. I asked the owner if I could snag a piece and he said sure, so we have it growing here. It's super white with a maroon throat. the flower is, oddly enough, yellow-ivory fading to white. Most of these crosses have some red pigment in the flower. I'm guessing it's got some weird genetics, maybe even some rubra ssp. alabamensis (yeah...still not convinced!). The reason I speculate about this is we have some leu. x rub. ssp. ala. here and some get whiter than regular leuco's.
Since we had to call it something, we have been calling it "White Lightnin", as in moonshine. (I'm aware there's a similarly named cross.) The bad thing is: it's a very slow grower, with wimpy pitchers until late season. Still, it's worth the wait. I'll try to find some pictures.
One of my coworkers said that gator "tastes like a chicken that was dragged through a swamp" LMAO
Lol. Completely agreed except the chicken part. It definitely tastes like something that was drug through a swamp though.
That nasty, swampy flavor (typically, that smell is produced by algae) probably has a lot to do with what the gator was eating and how it was raised. Gator drinking hard liquor, eating chips and soda while watching Family Feud for 4 hours a day will probably taste different than a gator eating organic fish,doing yoga, and drinking 8 cups of smart water a day. The restaurant we ate at in NW Florida (forgot the name, but I was the only Asian-ish dude there....fortunately, Axel and Damon helped me blend in) was packed full of people, the chefs probably had a lot to do with making it taste good. I've had wild catfish BBQ'ed that tasted amazing, but also had farm raised catfish that tasted like the smell of nasty, swampy freshwater that has been marinating in rotting algae extract for a while.
mikee: I have just joined this forum so will make a few mistakes - So here goes I have recently started my collection and now have some 150 to 200 plants during my first year. I have some very nice flowers spikes and would like to propagate.
Apr 18, 2020 4:57:24 GMT -5
mikee: So I would like to know the different properties for colour - vigor - size etc I don't have the time due to my age so would not be able run over many years can someone help or guide me
Apr 18, 2020 5:00:48 GMT -5
mikee: Thanks you chofah, there is a great video from The Pitcher Project with Phil Faulisi this was what I was looking for. However it still appears to be wait and see what results come from the cross. Many thanks
Apr 21, 2020 3:41:45 GMT -5
Willy: It would be rather silly to expect totally predictable results from a cross. The individual plants grown from the seeds will vary, sometimes quite a bit, even with carefully protected hand pollination. If you open polinate, the variety may be even greater.
May 22, 2020 21:30:15 GMT -5
petrb: However, my web is in Czech, but you can find there many photos
May 24, 2020 1:48:38 GMT -5
superstressed: Recently purchased a s. purpurea from Mike and I am so impressed with the quality of the plant that arrived. My Purpurea is now one of the larger plants in my collection! Mike also included an beautiful Flava var. for free. I will absolutely buy again.
May 24, 2020 21:27:00 GMT -5
scottjross79: review for Michael Wang purchased dionaea m. onslow county and arrived in pristine condition and even had a fellow suprise added . wony hesitate ever purchase from him again he is way beyond a seller and a genuine grower with vibrant healthy EquistePlants
Jun 5, 2020 16:29:49 GMT -5
Sarr. minor fan: why are you doing this
Jun 14, 2020 18:34:28 GMT -5
DirtyDivisions: \The immature stupid person posting in the chat box has been banned!
Jun 27, 2020 18:46:44 GMT -5
stu: Hi Mike: I’m pleased to report that the S. rubra wherryi Chatom Giant you sent has arrived in great shape as did the bonus plant from NC. Both are now back under southern skies and are feeling warm, humid, and at home again. Thanks!
Jul 22, 2020 13:21:21 GMT -5
sanguinearocks101: I am planning on doing an order from Mike... and I’m on a budget, some of the hardest decisions I’ve ever made
Aug 27, 2020 8:28:29 GMT -5
sanguinearocks101: What are good plants to make hybrids with S. luecophylla with? Im looking for dark colors.
Sept 10, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
adaetz100: Sarracenia purpurea tends to add a lot of red/purple to its offspring, but there are some lovely dark red flava x leucophylla crosses too. Look up 'Royal Ruby' if you're not familiar with it already--it's a natural flava x leuco hybrid
Sept 22, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5