A fair point, Mike. But how far back do we go to determine purity. Kind of brings to mind Carl Sagan's quote: "In order to truly make apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." On the surface, that looks like a "pure" leuco, which is a great find. I'm interested in re-finding leuco, flava, and possibly purp in MS. Wheryii in MS would be of interest, too, however, I think there are still well-known current sites.
On a somewhat unrelated note, you grow a wheryii from FL, don't you? That's quite a thing. I've looked for wheryii in FL, but have never found it. However, I must admit, I sometimes can't tell all the rubras apart.
Carl Sagan, haha, loved his shows! That's a good point, and I think if you can see S. alata characteristics in the plant, it's important to recognize that, as it's critical for both breeding and botanical purposes.
What do we call these back-crossed plants that are leuco dominant, but have hints of other species mixed in them historically? I think the answer to that is subjective, and should be made case by case, clone by clone.
A good example: some populations of S. leucophylla in Washington Co, AL: sarracenia.proboards.com/thread/942/leucophylla-site-1-washington-al For the most part, these plants appear to look "pure" but if you've visited the site, you'll see more immediate hybrids and back-crosses with alata and rubra wherryi. Those primary hybrids, and even first back-crosses look very similar to the "red form" pictured in the above link. However, I'd still call all of these S. leucophylla, but dimes to donuts, if you analyze their genetics, you'll find S. alata and/or S. rubra wherryi mixed in them from many generations back. There may even be S. psittacina in them. Of course, this is all speculation, but so is evolution
Washington County, Alabama is (was) probably the most diverse area for Sarracenia. I remember fields of plants where no two looked the same. It is somewhat of a nexus for leucophylla, rubra, alata, purpurea, psittacina, and possibly flava. Lots and lots of good things came from that region. I've been recently and it doesn't look the same as it did in the earlier part of the 2000s.
some more photos from this site, taken almost a year later (8/21/14). Plants are behind this year because of the polar vortex, and a lot of them were just starting to produce fall pitchers. This site hasn't been burned for a few years, but the plants were still looking well. What's interesting is that some of plants that looked amazing last year at this site had no pitchers, not even the beginning fall pitchers (main growth point was already dormant). On the other hand, plants that we didn't see last year produced some stunning traps. In other cases, some amazing plants that we saw last year were just starting to produce fall pitchers, but they hadn't opened up yet. Long story short, growth out there is very dynamic.
overview of habitat and plants:
This one was pretty amazing:
And one last habitat shot:
Last Edit: Sept 3, 2014 11:56:33 GMT -5 by meizzwang
mikee: I have just joined this forum so will make a few mistakes - So here goes I have recently started my collection and now have some 150 to 200 plants during my first year. I have some very nice flowers spikes and would like to propagate.
Apr 18, 2020 4:57:24 GMT -5
mikee: So I would like to know the different properties for colour - vigor - size etc I don't have the time due to my age so would not be able run over many years can someone help or guide me
Apr 18, 2020 5:00:48 GMT -5
mikee: Thanks you chofah, there is a great video from The Pitcher Project with Phil Faulisi this was what I was looking for. However it still appears to be wait and see what results come from the cross. Many thanks
Apr 21, 2020 3:41:45 GMT -5
Willy: It would be rather silly to expect totally predictable results from a cross. The individual plants grown from the seeds will vary, sometimes quite a bit, even with carefully protected hand pollination. If you open polinate, the variety may be even greater.
May 22, 2020 21:30:15 GMT -5
petrb: However, my web is in Czech, but you can find there many photos
May 24, 2020 1:48:38 GMT -5
superstressed: Recently purchased a s. purpurea from Mike and I am so impressed with the quality of the plant that arrived. My Purpurea is now one of the larger plants in my collection! Mike also included an beautiful Flava var. for free. I will absolutely buy again.
May 24, 2020 21:27:00 GMT -5
scottjross79: review for Michael Wang purchased dionaea m. onslow county and arrived in pristine condition and even had a fellow suprise added . wony hesitate ever purchase from him again he is way beyond a seller and a genuine grower with vibrant healthy EquistePlants
Jun 5, 2020 16:29:49 GMT -5
Sarr. minor fan: why are you doing this
Jun 14, 2020 18:34:28 GMT -5
DirtyDivisions: \The immature stupid person posting in the chat box has been banned!
Jun 27, 2020 18:46:44 GMT -5
stu: Hi Mike: I’m pleased to report that the S. rubra wherryi Chatom Giant you sent has arrived in great shape as did the bonus plant from NC. Both are now back under southern skies and are feeling warm, humid, and at home again. Thanks!
Jul 22, 2020 13:21:21 GMT -5
sanguinearocks101: I am planning on doing an order from Mike... and I’m on a budget, some of the hardest decisions I’ve ever made
Aug 27, 2020 8:28:29 GMT -5
sanguinearocks101: What are good plants to make hybrids with S. luecophylla with? Im looking for dark colors.
Sept 10, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
adaetz100: Sarracenia purpurea tends to add a lot of red/purple to its offspring, but there are some lovely dark red flava x leucophylla crosses too. Look up 'Royal Ruby' if you're not familiar with it already--it's a natural flava x leuco hybrid
Sept 22, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5