Post by iluvsarracenia on Jun 15, 2021 18:09:13 GMT -5
Hello everyone! This is my first post in this forum and I'm excited for the responses as well as becoming active in this community! So please allow me to give some background information. My name is Duc Nguyen and I live in the north central area of Texas. I've kept carnivorous plants for about twenty years. My collection is mostly comprised of Nepenthes species/hybrids and I also have a number of Drosophyllum lusitanicum. I've only recently gotten interested in Sarracenia. Over the past year, I've done a good bit of reading/research on Sarracenia oreophila. I do understand that this species is currently critically endangered in the wild. More specifically, I am confused with Sarracenia oreophila var ornata. I've seen a number of clones/variants (I don't know what the proper terminology is here) - for example, I've seen Sand Mountain, catalana, super ornate, copper top, UCB (Univ of California Berkeley), etc..
I understand that Sand Mountain occurs in Sand Mountain, Georgia. Do the other clones occur in nature or were they man made? How was the UCB clone created? All I could find is that it originated at University of California at Berkley. What does the term 'clone' mean? I appreciate you all reading my post and if any part of my post has already been discussed, please point me to where the topic(s) were discussed so I can read up on it.
I do hope that this species can make a come back and thank you again for reading my post!
Welcome to the forum, and thank you for posting! Great questions, there are pretty straight forward answers: 1) Sand Mountain occurs in Alabama. It's a name that Peter D'Amato of California Carnivores adopted to describe some colorful clones from that region, but not all clones from that area are colorful. Most of those clones you see in cultivation are wild types, very few are man made. 2) The UCB clone was a clone confiscated by the US Fish and wildlife services, it was illegally poached from the wild, and then sent to the UC Berkeley Botanical Gardens. 3) Clone refers to a specific individual plant: every copy of that plant is called a clone, and they are all genetically identical to each other. The reason the term "clone" is thrown around a lot is because Sarracenias generally speaking don't breed true. In other words, every individual is different, so when people talk about clones, they're talking about a very specific individual plant. 4) Any oreophila clone(or individual) that has a good amount of veining on the exterior of the pitcher is considered S. oreophila var. ornata. Here's a good example: S. oreophila var. ornata sand mountain MK07:
Well, this first picture might be a bit confusing because the pitcher is so red, that's strongly environmental:
Here's a better picture of the exact same clone(individual):
Due to federal restrictions on trade, oreophilas remain artificially rare in cultivation: when the laws were made back in the 70's or so, they didn't know that decades later, we'd figure out how to mass propagate them sustainably in cultivation. Even during the late 90's, growers were still figuring out how to cultivate S. oreophila: plants would consistently rot and very few growers had any clue how to cultivate the species. They didn't know these plants like a lot of water during the grow season, but like to be kept out of sitting water around the middle of summer and throughout the winter dormancy period.
Regretfully, it's very difficult to acquire these endangered species, but the intention of the law is to make it extra difficult to poach them from the wild. On the other hand, the unintended consequences of the laws also causes a glut of clones in cultivation that can't be sent across state line to fulfill the demand, so supply is artificially low even though we have plenty in cultivation, while demand continues to sky rocket.
Very little breeding work has been done with oreophila, mainly because: 1) MW (I) dropped the ball on that (I have since done some breeding with them) 2) Not many people have sufficient, choice clones to breed with because they can't get them in the first place
That said, in my opinion, here's the best man made clone there is out there so far. this is S. oreophila var. ornata 'purple throat' (UCB x MK017) 'select':
Same exact clone, but late summer/early fall pitchers:
And here's a population of S. oreophila from Cherokee Co, AL. Most oreophila plants look green like this(hence the common name, green pitcher plant):
But some CLONES or individuals are colorful and stand out from the crowd. This is also from Cherokee Co, AL:
Last Edit: Jun 15, 2021 18:36:31 GMT -5 by meizzwang
"The varietal epithet is derived from the Latin ornatus (embellished), a reference to the ornate venation that dominates the pitcher exterior. The leaves are yellowish green, or vivid yellow in direct sunlight, and lined with vivid, dark red or purple reticulate veins. This venation varies in its extent, but the vibrant veins are particularly prominent on the uppermost parts of the pitcher exterior, the interior of the pitcher opening, and on both surfaces of the column and lid. The pitcher interior may become suffused with orange, red or purple. In all other respects, this variety is identical to Sarracenia oreophila var. oreophila.
The distinctive veins that line the exterior of the tubular portion of the pitcher distinguish this variety from S. oreophila var. oreophila. Whilst the former usually has veins on the upper surface of the lid, this is seldom if ever the case in the latter. Further, where the interior of the pitcher opening may also be flushed dark red or purple in S. oreophila var. ornata, in the type form this part is only ever a faint, reddish-purple, if any red pigments are apparent at all.
Once present throughout the range of S. oreophila, this variety has unfortunately been rendered close to extinction, largely through selective poaching. Sarracenia oreophila var. ornata is now extremely rare in the wild, and the last known population survives within a single, remote, stream-side bog in the Little River Canyon National Preserve, Alabama."
The holotype of S. oreophila var. ornata is a single pitcher approximately 20 cm long prepared from cultivated material grown by Mike King of Shropshire Sarracenia. The holotype field notes read "The plant entered cultivation several decades ago, grown from legally collected seed that was harvested from populations growing in DeKalb County, Alabama, USA". Of Mike King's S. oreophila clones, MK O5, O6, and O7 are from DeKalb County (one of the counties that Sand Mountain is in), so one of three is likely the source of the type material. Mike King clones are distributed around with his own code notation, in this case his initials MK, the letter O for oreophila, and a number for each individual clone.
I personally don't use the ornata to label any of my S. oreophila. It really is just a color form (and not an ecotype ex. S. minor var. minor versus S. minor var. okefenokeensis), and pigmentation is so variable that it's not that significant in botany. There's a precedent for variety status of color forms (ex. the S. flava varieties) but it bothers me that variety status is applied very inconsistently. It can cover anything from color differences to statistically significant stable morphological differences, while the form rank (ex. S. rosea f. luteola) is also a color difference but is relegated to only the anthocyanin-free mutants. All that being said, S. oreophila var. ornata is a validly described taxon, so while I don't necessarily like it, feel free to use it!
In my experience with a considerable amount of mature S. oreophila clones over multiple years, coloration can vary wildly based on environmental conditions. Here's an example of S. oreophila grown in greenhouse conditions in Northern California (@ California Carnivores) that looks exactly like the S. oreophila var. ornata holotype: and here's my California Carnivores clone that came labeled "Sand Mountain". It's likely related or even the same as the greenhouse clone and could probably get about the same colors if I wasn't growing outdoors in Northern California without a greenhouse. Is this "vivid" enough to be considered S. o. ornata? Probably not by most people's standards, but this is how it typically looks for me.
I really like S. oreophila (which is why I have so much of it!) and have been documenting and intercrossing lots of clones to make horticultural S. oreophila. Unfortunately, like Mike, my plants are stuck in California!
sanguinearocks101: What are good plants to make hybrids with S. luecophylla with? Im looking for dark colors.
Sept 10, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
adaetz100: Sarracenia purpurea tends to add a lot of red/purple to its offspring, but there are some lovely dark red flava x leucophylla crosses too. Look up 'Royal Ruby' if you're not familiar with it already--it's a natural flava x leuco hybrid
Sept 22, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5
sarrseens: How about $50
Oct 3, 2020 10:35:54 GMT -5