I acquired this clone recently from my homie Drew Martinez. This clone originally came from Botanique, a nursery specializing in pitcher plants on the east coast. Surprisingly, this flava var. cuprea is the only clone in my collection that came from them.
I've read they have the largest collection of pitcher plants in the world, with a wopping 60,000 pitcher plants at their nursery! If you can only imagine, my relatively tiny collection has about 3,000 plants. Here's a story on the man behind the scenes at Botanique-you may or may not be surprised: gardenandgun.com/article/bog-man-and-his-secret-garden
Now that you've been entertained with a fascinating story, let me bore you with this absolutely stunning plant-photos were taken in September 2012:
S. flava var. cuprea 'Botanique':
Last Edit: May 15, 2019 15:19:14 GMT -5 by meizzwang
Strange looking cuprea. I guess as you don't mention any there is no location data for this plant? Any background at all to how it comes to exist? Not saying it is (how could I from this distance!), but it has the look of an intergrade or more complex history. That hood has the Sumatra look about it.
Good point Kiwiearl. Unfortunately, there is no location data with this plant. My understanding is most of the clones from Botanique were from plants collected from the wild many decades ago. His massive collecting occurred during the time development and urban sprawl was rampant, and it is reported he has a huge amount of wild genetics that now only exist in cultivation due to habitat destruction.
Even if this clone is originally from the wild, I hypothesize all S. flava var. cupreas are of hybrid origin, and the form is now in the process of stabilizing. When you self some of these cupreas, you get flava var. flavas, ornatas, etc., which suggests a mixing of genetics.
Last Edit: Dec 11, 2012 13:17:32 GMT -5 by meizzwang
Post by jasonksepka on Dec 12, 2012 22:19:35 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts on the origin of cuprea. I don't know this form very well yet, so it is fascinating to hear of your experience with it. I saw a huge variation in plants in Blackwater River SP. Adding to the confusion there, is the presence of S. leucophylla. But i did find plants there that look like cuprea, which i was assured do not exist outside of the Carolinas.
Came across a google/Flicker image from a guy that goes by corrosive halo on some other forums. He titled the photo with a location of Horry County, SC. and being flava cuprea, Botanique. I'm guessing he got that info from RS. If any of you know him or see his ID on another forum perhaps you can contact him and verify this. Just got this clone from Wes, Thanks again, the plants are great and it's good to see what I can look forward to next season.
Dug up some interesting news-I contacted corrosive halo from Flickr, and he said he got his clone from Steve Sykes. He also thinks this is the same clone as the one Drew & Wes have. Anyone know Steve Sykes?
Got this from Rob Sacilotto, and his permission to post it:
Most of the cuprea we sold many years ago were from either Horry Co or Shallotte, NC. Horry Co. types would be Giant or larger plants. We also sold plants from Shallotte, NC. After about 1990 (approximately), we sold seedlings from these plants, some of which had parents from both locations. None of the cuprea came from the Sumatra area. Still other cuprea plants came after about 1997, the results of cuprea x cuprea or cuprea x self (incidental), see below.
The Horry Co. plants are easily distinguished by the large pitcher size, about 30-40+ inches tall, and the wide mouth. Clumps of this group tend to produce fewer pitchers per crown. Currently, it is the Horry Co. plants appearing as a photo image in our web site.
The Shallotte plants are mostly under 36 inches tall, small to typical mouth diameter and usually produce more pitchers per crown. The lip is also less "rolled"/thick.
The many seedlings we spun off were the byproduct of breeding cuprea to selected cuprea parents and plants from producing "Cinnamon Sticks", a rubricorpora x cuprea cross. Since the cuprea parents did not have pollen removed, there was limited self-pollinating. Nonetheless, it was easy to distinguish the rubricorpora x cuprea from the cuprea. We had no need for many of the extra cuprea, so they were/are getting sold.
People who purchased S. flava var. cuprea from Botanique can not assume location. If the plant(s) arrived with location information, from us, that is another matter. Any location information would be printed on the label, but this was not usually the practice. Years ago, some growers requested location-specific plants and accommodations were made to supply plants from these origins.
We are hoping to renew our "wild type" flava beds next year. Within a few years, we will need to thin these stock plants out. We do hope to get enough of the Giant Copper Top (largest of the Horry Co. group) to sell in about 5 years, maybe sooner.
I hope this information is helpful. Unfortunately, the answers to your questions are not simple.
Meizzwang, on the cuprea "Botanique", have you noticed an unusual habit of the clone exhibiting tissue abnormalities on the pitchers over the course of the growing season? This would include light colored streaks and spots, as well as distortions and deformities of the structure of the pitcher. Reason I ask is I had picked up a cuprea clone a few years back that was also a Botanique clone and I have noticed similar abnormalities to what appear to be showing in your first set of pictures in this thread. Just curious. I have been thinking of throwing the clone I have on the compost pile, just in case its a viral or bacterial infection, so I don't end up spreading it to the rest of my collection. Appreciate your time.
I'm not sure if I see any abnormalities in the pitcher in the first few photos-those are very normal colors for this clone, and I don't suspect any viral infections in this clone. However, I do know what you're talking about, and it's very important to identify infected plants right away, as virus can potentially spread very quickly via insect pests. Fortunatley, viruses in sarracenia are extremely rare, and I've only had one plant in my entire lifetime in question.
Great to be here! Unfortunately, based on that other picture, its not looking good for my cuprea. I think its going to the trash pronto. Hopefully it hasn't spread. At first I was blaming low humidity in the summer outside the greenhouse as the culprit. But I am leaning towards virus now. Let me see about uploading a couple of pics.
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DirtyDivisions: summit I’ve been fine at a constant 95° F under the dome. Once the tiny seedlings have two pitchers I remove the dome and temps go down.
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