The darker color forms of Sarracenia alata seem to be somewhat difficult in general color up under outdoor, full sun conditions here in Northern California. Are there clones that color up easily with very little effort under a variety of environmental conditions? Probably, but I'm not aware of any clone in existence that is like that...not yet at least! Perhaps with selective breeding and gigantic grow outs we can find that one individual that sticks out of the crowd.
For now, we're stuck with these beautiful yet elusive color forms. Will this clone below turn dark purple to almost black? Hopefully! Last year, it merely had some red under the lid, but this year the pitcher is starting to turn red, so I've got my eyes peeled on this one. Photos taken 7/22/18. Why do I suspect this clone can produce black traps? Just a guess: it seems most of the proven black variants under my conditions can easily get dark in the interior, but getting that darkness to spread to the exterior of the trap is another story:
At the very least, I expect this clone to get deep red, but I think some fall light and temperatures are needed here to coax that out:
To be continued....
Last Edit: Jul 25, 2018 15:20:12 GMT -5 by meizzwang
We have a couple black-red alatas, which came from random rescue plants which had no foliage when collected in Mississippi.
A friend and I met a couple French ladies on a beach in FL, back when we were in our early twenties . They asked if we wanted to join them on their journey to New Orleans; we could not refuse! So while driving west, we came across a road-widening project where I spotted a bunch of Sarracenia seed pods in front on the earth moving equipment. After getting the OK from the foreman, I dug a bunch of plants in harm's way. All the pitchers were gone, stripped by moth larvae.
After returning, an Orthene drench and thorough cleaning, and more insecticides cleaned the alatas up nicely. In that group, a clone I coded "9501" produces very dark pitchers, but usually later in the season. A second clone, also from that collection, also makes very dark, late season pitchers. We sold out of both, years ago, but we're working on getting these available again. As a parent, #9501 was used to make Vortex and a bunch of hybrids.
Crossed with flava rubricorpora, a few plants will pick up the pigments of both parents. Here are two, different crosses, which have not colored fully due to the rain:
Not sure if you've seen this one, but Black widow is the same cross, and it's easily the darkest plant that I've ever seen! Check out the the Waccamaw traps in the lower left hand corner for color comparison:
Mike, I did check out Black Widow awhile back, and drool over it! Master Phil deserves a very low bow for that one!
I wonder how some of our dark plants would look in a sunnier place, like CA. This year has been terrible for dark reds, not enough sun. Even the Waccamaw flavas I got from you are washed-out. First year I've not needed sunscreen through July.
Oh I should clarify that. The back of the throat is green where I would expect to see a red blotch like in flava rugeliis
Ah, got it! That's phenotypic variation, that should color up completely as the trap ages. I'll check it out in the next few days, it might have already filled in by now!
Bogman-LOL funny how I see pics of your plants and sometimes feel the same way! How is it that your rubricorporas color up even after dead-heading them in the winter?! I wished for more sunlight, and got it, but here in California, that comes with a price. It's a daily battle to get enough water on these plants in full sun, and when it cools down dramatically a few days later, they sit in water too long. I wish I had my old grow site, the humidity was higher, required less water, no wind tunnel that desiccates the plants on a daily basis, and less frequent watering needed. They still colored well up despite not getting full sun all day, seems like I have too much sun now!
Wish we could trade a bit of climate! Once again, we're at 100% rH. The air has basically been mist/rain for 75 days, with about 6 days of sun or partial sun. Thank goodness all my succulents are indoors. I'd have exploding Lithop goo everywhere otherwise.
The rubricorporas are washed-out this year. A few alata hybrids have acceptable color, though I suspect that's from the black-red purpurea that's in them. Dark purpurea x alata black-red is a good parent. By itself, it collects water and falls over. but crossed back to alata, can yield some fun results.
Next year, I'm planting Rice! Meanwhile, my wife and I are going to pick up a couple fishing kayaks.
Anyway, a bit of iron chelate, which often becomes more available to wild plants when it's hot (dissolved humid/fulvic acids, high tannin, etc.), if carefully applied as a foliar spray, might help darken up plants that should be darker. Peat tea seems to work well, too, if applied several times during pitcher development. If it ever stops raining, I've got some fulvic/humic acid supplements to try out. No point adding it these days: foliar>soil>subsoil>earth's core in 12 hrs.!
I have a pretty decent sized population of alatas from Harrison Co, MS, and knowing these red genetics exist, I crossed all the mother plants I could with each other and grew out the seeds. With the first attempt, ZERO red individuals showed up!
If you think about it, repeating the same thing over again and expecting different results....isn't that the definition of insanity? Well, I decided to give it a try again, and no, it's not insane! Reason being, not all of the plants from the mother population flower every year: some do and some don't. In the second attempt, I figured different clones were flowering that hadn't previously flowered.
After growing out the second batch, BINGO! found a few red ones! YAAAAASSSSSSSS!!!!!! Here's one of the stand out red ones, which I think might actually be able to get darker than what is seen in the pics. This had been somewhat recently transplanted, and such actions are known to make color forms not color up all the way. Nevertheless, the red color is rather impressive! Pics taken 12/11/20:
sanguinearocks101: What are good plants to make hybrids with S. luecophylla with? Im looking for dark colors.
Sept 10, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
adaetz100: Sarracenia purpurea tends to add a lot of red/purple to its offspring, but there are some lovely dark red flava x leucophylla crosses too. Look up 'Royal Ruby' if you're not familiar with it already--it's a natural flava x leuco hybrid
Sept 22, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5
sarrseens: How about $50
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