Post by carnivorouscrazy1223 on Feb 27, 2016 1:39:23 GMT -5
Ok so im just gonna jump in i grew up in Bentley county Ga and well its the home sarracenia okeefenokee var Bentley county and they have recentely bulldosed a site and left NOTHING BUT PEAT this is the place where i saw sarracenia flowers and live sphag everywhere and especially where i gained this hobby and well its gone now and there is only 2 sites in Georgia that have these sarracenia and well i want to repopulate the area with the same exact sarracenia how? well Dean Cook and he sells the exact same sarracenia and i was hoping that you guys can help me fund for this and soni myself can buy these plants and send them the area they need to be and for proof i have already bought one on ebay just to prove it. they cost $10.00 + $7.85 so i ask of you guys just to help with something even starting a new species of sarracenia there or we can start telling people what is going on and open his/her eyes and maybe just maybe we can bring the population back up and lower the chances of a site getting bulldosed
If it was recently bulldozed, what makes you think they aren't going to do anything further with the site? I understand your intention, but it really is better left to professional conservation groups.
--Addendum-- Also, there's nothing in the listing to suggest that those plants were originally from Bentley Co..
Last Edit: Feb 27, 2016 11:21:45 GMT -5 by ErrorEN
Post by carnivorouscrazy1223 on Feb 28, 2016 1:05:51 GMT -5
i planon sending the plants to the okeefenokee swamp conservatory or wildlife preserve in Bentley county where the OKEEFENOKEE SWAMP IS yes its the same sarracenia S. minor okeefenokeensis i think it was and im not planting them sorry for not mebtioning that i am sending them to the conservatory
A site would not be bulldozed within the swamp itself, which is protected from such things. Therefore, the okefenokeensis plants are certainly not originating from the site which you claim has been destroyed; in addition, the Okefenokee is a large place, and even plants within the swamp are often propagated and sold with some specific localities because of this. The plants you purchased cannot be placed back in the wild without knowledge of exactly where they came from, nor would they be able to go to that bulldozed site even if said site were to be purchased by a conservation authority because they would not be proper locality. In addition: any conservatory for the Okefenokee region, if they are propagating native plants, almost certainly already has plenty of the var. okefenokeensis plants.
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Post by Jonathan Mejia on Feb 29, 2016 0:33:11 GMT -5
Just a more official note from me: Thanks carnivorouscrazy1223 for bringing this to our attention. You have identified a site which previously held Sarracenia and now doesn't.
The next steps would be to: 1. Identify who owns the land (a point brought up by paulbarden ) - Even the largest and most well funded organizations cannot do anything, if this is private land 2. Identify why the land was bulldozed (a point brought up by ErrorEN ) - Shopping Mall? Housing? Farmland? Identifying why the land was cleared might actually help this from happening in the future, as more natural areas get destroyed, you can tell the direction development is going in, and see if lands further down the road are state owned/protected, or privately owned. If they are privately owned, AND have Sarracenia on them, please consider alerting the organizations you mentioned, and perhaps land grants can be given to the owners to NOT develop the land. 3. Work with the Organizations you listed in any propagation efforts hcarlton Brought up a good point that most organizations have the var. okefenokeensis plants. Meadowview meadowview is one such organization, and if they heard of this, and if there were legitimate repopulation efforts in place, you bet they would probably donate plants for free!
meizzwang is also someone who has a large collection of location specific plants. And I am sure if he heard that a repopulation effort needed plants of a specific locality, he would be more than willing to help.
But these efforts would have to A - Have permits for everything they are doing and B - Have a plan to protect the land from further harm.
The following organizations seem to be well placed to take charge of such efforts if needed:
I haven't heard any word from these organizations that actual plants were needed. The TNC and okeswamp are always accepting donations though, and I would suggest that if anyone wants to help preserve the lands and Sarracenia in these areas, to give to them.
Thanks again for this information on this site. Lets keep an eye out. It is important to look at these sites and note that they are becoming more rare as time goes on.
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Post by wrightorchid on Mar 1, 2016 9:59:09 GMT -5
We certainly understand your anger. I have seen state owned and privately owned property destroyed, and with zero recourse. A protected species is generally only protected to the point the owner cares. There are few enforcement mechanisms, unless federally listed, and even still it is a huge challenge. It often comes down to property rights. It's one thing to clear property, and another to kill a bald eagle. Yes, it really sucks.
sanguinearocks101: What are good plants to make hybrids with S. luecophylla with? Im looking for dark colors.
Sept 10, 2020 18:46:52 GMT -5
adaetz100: Sarracenia purpurea tends to add a lot of red/purple to its offspring, but there are some lovely dark red flava x leucophylla crosses too. Look up 'Royal Ruby' if you're not familiar with it already--it's a natural flava x leuco hybrid
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sarrseens: How about $50
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