When I think of the most standard, beautiful, outstanding okee giant plant, I think of this clone! This is the individual featured in Peter's The Savage Garden and it's the very first impression I had of S. minor var. okefenokeensis. What's really weird about this clone is that during this "intermediate" stage when the pitchers aren't very gigantic, they look nominal at best. However, I've seen traps on this proven clone that reached around 3 feet in height when grown at California Carnivores, and strangely enough, they're a lot more shapely when they're gigantic. I've noticed the same sort of phenomenon with other minor okee giant clones, like clone#4 and clone Q. Some clones have this phenotypic variance, and others don't. Yes, I'm scratching my head.
Here's another interesting general observation about S. minor var. okefenokeensis: the biggest, most gigantic traps seem to be formed during the spring! However, there was one year we had an indian summer (prolonged warm days and warm nights into November) and they also produced gigantic fall traps!
Here's the California Carnivores clone, photos taken 5/31/14. Hoping to get a gigantic trap in the next year or two, these are probably no more than a foot tall:
Mike, what you are experiencing with your minor is not a phenomenon at all, but rather a common incidence with Sarracenia, like leuc, minor, flava, moorei...the taller growers, when they begin to reach true vegetative maturity. Too often growers think their plants are mature when they have flowered or they are growing in a large pot, tub or bog garden and have scores of pitchers on them. They are not. They're sexually mature, but not vegetatively mature. Only absolute excellent culture on an annual basis, and refraining from the proverbial "dividing" of one's plants will bring out true vegetative maturity. And above all else...do not let them get root bound, ever.
I see this growth exhibition regularly on my plants now. My largest minor okee would always grow multitudes and multitudes of pitchers each year and never really got any bigger than 18 or 20 inches tall at best. So I improved the water quality several years ago and just stopped dividing the plants. Instead I just potted them into larger, deeper containers and left them to do their thing. I've had this particular clone for 15 years and now...this year...the plants are around 32 inches tall with hoods almost 4 inches across. A far cry from the last 14 years of growth. Sometimes it just takes hitting the right combination of elements to bring out their true best. I'm doing this with all my moorei plants and it absolutely works. I have super giants amongst my collection.
And by super giants I'm not talking about height...as many people think their plants are "giant" just because they're really tall. They're not. All parts of the plant are uniformly large and consistent with what the height should have produced. If you have a plant that is 3 feet tall and looks exactly like the same clone sitting next to it that is only 18 inches tall...you have an etiolated plant, not a giant. But if all parts of the pitcher are exaggerated in growth, girth, and form...then you have a vegetatively mature plant. Maybe not a true "giant" by the standard definition...but one big a@@ plant! All this is done outdoors in natural conditions that are almost desert-like. No greenhouse humidity to boost them along.
I would post pics...but I haven't been able to do it properly with this Ipad business.
excellent input, thanks for sharing your experience and observations Phil! I think what's strange is that there are certainly some tall individuals that seem to consistently exhibit this phenotypic variance, but other don't. Check out this S. minor var. okefenokeensis Ware Co, GA clone S-even when it produces nominal, non-gigantic traps, they're still shapely and attactive: sarracenia.proboards.com/thread/684/minor-var-okefenokeensis-ware-clone
summit: Hey guys, I'm about to sow some seeds and I was curious to know what everyone thinks 'too hot' for Sarracenia seeds would be? Having them in the dome bumps up the temps a bit.
Oct 2, 2019 13:36:15 GMT -5
DirtyDivisions: summit I’ve been fine at a constant 95° F under the dome. Once the tiny seedlings have two pitchers I remove the dome and temps go down.
Oct 5, 2019 20:28:05 GMT -5
summit: @dirtydivisions Thanks for that! I'm sitting around 87-88F with the dome fully sealed but I wasn't doing that and sacrificing humidity to keep it cooler but I'll go ahead and close it down now!
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Skirt: Sarracenia can grow in Miami, right?
Feb 12, 2020 0:35:25 GMT -5
DirtyDivisions: Yep, Sarracenia will grow anywhere! In your toilet even...if have the proper amount of light etc...
Apr 4, 2020 23:49:51 GMT -5
mikee: I have just joined this forum so will make a few mistakes - So here goes I have recently started my collection and now have some 150 to 200 plants during my first year. I have some very nice flowers spikes and would like to propagate.
Apr 18, 2020 4:57:24 GMT -5
mikee: So I would like to know the different properties for colour - vigor - size etc I don't have the time due to my age so would not be able run over many years can someone help or guide me
Apr 18, 2020 5:00:48 GMT -5
mikee: Thanks you chofah, there is a great video from The Pitcher Project with Phil Faulisi this was what I was looking for. However it still appears to be wait and see what results come from the cross. Many thanks
Apr 21, 2020 3:41:45 GMT -5
Willy: It would be rather silly to expect totally predictable results from a cross. The individual plants grown from the seeds will vary, sometimes quite a bit, even with carefully protected hand pollination. If you open polinate, the variety may be even greater.
May 22, 2020 21:30:15 GMT -5
petrb: However, my web is in Czech, but you can find there many photos
May 24, 2020 1:48:38 GMT -5
superstressed: Recently purchased a s. purpurea from Mike and I am so impressed with the quality of the plant that arrived. My Purpurea is now one of the larger plants in my collection! Mike also included an beautiful Flava var. for free. I will absolutely buy again.
May 24, 2020 21:27:00 GMT -5